why is it bye bye
Nice to see that the
scouting system is firing on all cylinders and the board aren't
going behind BMJ's back. Just seen on the NewsNow feed, headline
from the official site - 'Fancy Becoming A Coach?'
was the guy who called for BMJ's head after the Everton game,
and whilst I'm happy he hasn't gone, I still think the events of
the last week would be excellent for spurs over the course of
the season. The message has been received loud and clear:
NO ONE AT SPURS CAN AFFORD TO REST ON THEIR LAURELS!!. BMJ
has provided us with our best league finishes in 25 years but if
Man City, West Ham, Villa, and Portsmouth carry on spending at
the rate they are, within 18 months or less ninth might be a
good season for Spurs.
need to take advantage of our current best of the rest status,
go for champions league, win a trophy, keep our squad and be
able to attract better players (Bent!) Jol was saying things
like, fifth was an over-achievement and would still be a good
season, Fergie didn't win anything for his first four seasons,
the top four have bigger capacity stadiums and more experience
etc etc i.e. preparing us for failure or trying to take the
pressure of the players.
rightly, simply reminded him that Ramos has won 2 UEFA Cups, a
Spanish Cup, qualified for the CL, challenged Barca and Real
with 20% of their budget, all with Kanoute up front ... It
is possible. This week was simply a kick up the backside for
Jol, a wake up call to reiterate that the league is ferociously
competitive, and our start was totally unacceptable. We
are aspiring towards 4th as well as defending our 5th places.
personally hope it makes Jol a more ruthless and urgent manager.
If the Jenas, Zokora pairing need to be broken up, do it. If
Paul's off form, give Cerny a run in the team. If you need
creative midfielders on the bench, then drop a striker from the
squad. Whatever it takes, lets be meritocratic, and try
and win at all costs. That's the mentality it takes to be
regular a CL club.
rather have the events of last week now than in mid November
when CL is no longer an option. All Premiership managers are
under pressure, it goes with the territory. Now Martin, show us
what you are made of.
another view of the Jol situation click
Yes of course what you say makes
sense – very well put as well. Its just very depressing because, as
you say, we can’t turn the clock back and so we have a no win
situation. In feeling-sorry-for-myself mode it is bad for some of
us older fans who were beginning to have hopes of a genuine change
in fortune (at last) – back to the glory days of 25+ years ago. But
this sort of potential set back starts you wondering if we will ever
see this happen (or even see us beat G**n*rs!) before we reach our
I don’t have any real words of
wisdom as you have or answers – MJ is not without faults and the
past two seasons have been extremely frustrating at times as well as
euphoric. In fact, we could so easily have finished above fifth
both times, ‘though whether we would have been ready for CL football
is another thing. For all his faults, I don’t believe that another
manager would necessarily do any better at present – we had a good
team which is now even better (still need a left winger though). An
important point also is to get things in perspective – even top four
teams go through inexplicable difficult patches – MU have not had a
good start this season and the goners have definitely fallen back in
the last twelve months (and not just through loss of Henry)
So, how do we persuade the board
that the should keep faith with MJ, and really try to regain
everyone’s confidence in the club. Or is it now too late ? Only a
year ago we were still losing good players to “bigger” teams and
that is still a big risk and will ultimately undermine confidence of
the players and therefore our progress.
A very good precedent for the
way THFC should behave is the example of Sir Alex at MUFC. His
been there years and fantastically successful but if memory
serves me right this wasn’t the case to start with but the board
of MU stayed with him and look what happened – and he is still
I suppose the key thing is the
Players – they are the ones – the only ones who can do this –
show how much they respect MJ and do it for him and the
fans/club every game.
Keep the Faith
Can anyone tell me how
the callers are chosen for the phone-in shows on the radio and TV ?
Why is it that the
callers all have extreme views almost diametrically opposed to the
majority of the average Tottenham fan ?
What we need is to phone
up the phone-ins and get a balance of views from Spurs supporters to
show our support for Martin Jol. Get on the phones and let the
world know that we are not all fickle and that we appreciate what
Martin Jol has done for Tottenham Hotspur ... even if the board are
With the Dutchman, Spurs
would not be in the position to make a move for Champions League
football. A large number of people have said that if you have
offered finishing fifth two seasons running, Spurs supporters would
have bitten your hand off after some of the stuff we have had to put
up with year after year.
The board have a point,
in that we should not settle for fifth, but to take a realistic
view, they should set that as a minimum and anything else on top of
that would be a bonus. The top four clubs have had years of
Champions League football and all the money that brings. They
have become an elite within the Premier League and it is necessary
to chip away at their position, which is what BMJ has begun.
With Tottenham on the
edge of the breakthrough, it looks like his success might lead to
Do what you can to stop
BENNY THE BALL
another view of the Jol situation click
It has been another day of
comment, statement and denial at the wonderful world of Tottenham
It should never surprise me
that history counts for nothing if nothing is learned from it, but time
and time again (Francis, Hoddle, Santini) the people at the club who
make decisions fail to see what went wrong with the choices plumped for
in the past and go blithely into a new era of error. For every
forward step there is an equal and opposite doubling in Tottenham's
With the latest
embarrassment surrounding the rumour, speculation and humilation about
Martin Jol's position at the club, there are new depths to be plumbed.
Leaks spring from within Tottenham's tight-lipped ranks being credited
to no source in particular, but the press have to play catch-up, so
quickly does the story move.
So the Sevilla coach met
with someone who met with someone who offered him the Tottenham job and
of course it must have been a Spurs representative who made the offer in
the first place. So Spurs have to issue a denial on their website
to ensure that they look like they are playing the game above board and
so the whole farrago goes on.
Whether someone from
Tottenham made an offer to Ramos or not, why is it reported that board
member Paul Kemsley was in Spain in the same place as Ramos at more or
less the same time. They might not have met. Kemsley and
Ramos' agent might not have met, but like a coincidental game of Chinese
Whispers, word might have got around and 2 and 2 might have been summed
up in a single number answer.
It is not just the
unsettling effect this is having on the manager, who has virtually been
told that he has to deliver Champions League football for next season or
he will be history (I am sure BMJ would learn a lot more from that than
the Spurs board), but the effect that it will have on the team.
Knowing that the manager is
living on borrowed time, should the rumours that "senior members" of the
squad are unhappy about the way things are being run be true, they might
decide that they will not play for the current manager to hasten his
departure (not that such things ever happen of course). It would
be an interesting scenario if this did happen, as the hopes of European
football would be gone (UEFA Cup as well as CL). If Ramos did then
come in and the players started to reproduce their true form, it will
look like they couldn't be bothered for Jol, but would be heroes ...
just for Juande. I have no reason to believe that the players
would treat Jol that way and frankly, I wouldn't want to be them if they
did. Many have said that they respect the manager and came to play
for him and now those who are fit will have to do that.
Champions League football
was a little out of reach before the start of the season, despite it
being our best chance to finish in the top four for many a year.
But injuries cannot be legislated for and the unwritten football law of
luck evening itself out over the course of a season has never been
written in stone for Tottenham Hotspur. We are still owed for that
Mendes "goal" at Old Trafford.
What Jol will have to do is
motivate the team to excel themselves to reach the heights unknown by
any Spurs manager for twenty odd years. And even then, there was
no indication that if he achieved Champions League football, that he
would still be around to take Spurs into that competition.
It all seems a bit too
comfortable at the moment. Jol is given this season to achieve
what the board want. Ramos has one year to run on his contract.
So he will be available in the summer of 2008. Spurs get Champions
League football (or not). Ramos comes in for a brave new era for
Cynical ? Moi ??
Been there before (not in the Champions League obviously). 1984
was a watershed in Tottenham's history. A European trophy. A
manager leaves because of the board. Cynical ? No.
Just realistic. And a little ashamed.
this straight from the start, I stated in my Everton reaction waffle
only a few days ago that we should NOT get rid of BMJ, under any
Well, it appears the ring-pieces of the board are starting to squeeze
... the thought that they might not actually make Champions League
returns on their investment has sent panic through the boardroom, as has
already been written
here, since when did money bring you success or luck. Is it Jol's
fault that he's missing nearly a team's worth of talent ? Is it Jol's
fault that the club spent £16.5 million quid on Bent ? Who buys
the players anyway ? I thought it was Comolli.
Naïve tactically sometimes he maybe, but he's certainly not lacking in
heart. I can remember singing 'You're not fit to wear the shirt'
at players who gave nothing to the team. In my opinion, BMJ is not
only fit to wear the shirt - he IS the shirt ! He's an honest,
hard-working bloke who's dragged us from mediocrity to the point of
something great, that we can all say we were a part of - to throw that
away now would be a disgrace.
The board need to look at themselves hard. They've backed this man
financially, now they need to let him get on with his job. The
fans back him - that's plain enough (apart from the few idiots who love
to phone into TalkSport). The only people who want us to fail are
the Press, sky and the Gooners - let's not give them the satisfaction of
giving them tomorrows headlines.
Now is the time to all pull together, the fans, the team, the board and
at the head of it all BMJ - lets blow the G8 wide open.
Sing for BMJ this weekend, let's show our support - would the board
really risk a backlash from the fans - they're £100 million football
club means nothing if they've no-one going to the stadium - let's show
them who's really in charge.
If you agree or disagree with anything in my waffle, write in and let me
I would just like to add my
voice to the rest ... "Maybe Levy out !!" would have a better ring.
It seems to me that it is his direction and the boards mis-mangement
that have led us to this embarrassing point. How do you hold up
your head as a Spurs fan when this is going on I feel ashamed of the
actions of the board of directors ?
I can't help feeling that this is a business decision by the board to
ensure that Spurs finish in the top four what ever happens, so that they
can reap the rewards of selling the club to a cash rich buyer who only
wants a top four club. I feel that the directors want a quick fix
for Jol and the team before their cash is squandered and they won't get
a good price for the team.
somewhere must have it in for Martin Jol.
place finishes with Tottenham put him among the most successful
Tottenham bosses in terms of highest league placings, yet, the knives
are out for him after just three games of the season.
lacked stability over the last fifteen years. Too many managers
have come and gone, spending too much money on players who they thought
would give Tottenham the glimpse of success that the fans desired.
Jol, with a lot of money spent, but with enough points in the bag to
qualify for Europe for two seasons running ... the only manager to do so
since Bill Nicholson.
saying he is the new Bill Nick, but he has the knowledge of what a club
like Tottenham requires from him in terms of tradition and a realisation
that he will be judged by results. I am sure he would prefer to be
judged on more results than just three into this season.
Some of the
names being bandied around are just fanciful. Would Lippi really
come to White Hart Lane ?? Elsewhere on this site, Capello has
been mentioned and perhaps he might be interested, as he is unemployed,
but in the past has hinted he would only be willing to take on
Manchester United. When the Press trot out the name of Harry
Redknapp, you know that something smells fishy. If the Tottenham
board are seriously considering the current Portsmouth manager to take
over at Spurs, then I have serious reservations about their knowledge of
because they don't believe he can deliver Champions League football.
Just explain to me how Harry Redknapp is going to do it, when he hasn't
in goodness knows how long in the game.
I think that
someone on the board might have made a very ill-advised trip to Spain at
a time when things were going badly, before waiting to see what
happened. I defy any other manager to have done as well with the
injury-hit squad Jol was left with. Oh, except George Graham, as
the man who took Spurs to their last trophy would have shut up shop and
got points at both Sunderland and against Everton, with dour,
against Derby that he is willing to give youth it's head, by introducing
Taarabt. With the defence decimated and now the attack
decapitated, the side might have to take on a new look. It won't
be the one that Jol imagined when he spent £40 million, but then money
doesn't buy success and more than it buys luck.
Spurs board seemingly intent on bringing in a new man at the helm, it
could be that Jol is not a bad general ... just an unlucky one (in more
ways than one).
I just cannot believe
it. Jol facing the axe. I just cannot believe it - I
know I am repeating myself, but it really upsets me ... I mean I am
If Levy doesn't act to
scotch this media stoked rumour now, it looks like being one of
those self-fulfilling prophesies.
Jol is a good manager,
and a decent man who is loyal to his team. He does not deserve to
be talked about in this way. It was heartening to see the Spurs
faithful coming to his aid on Saturday, even if the board palpably
failed to follow suit. Any club that has aspirations to succeed at
the highest level must have stability. It has been proven time
after time after time after time - (yes, I am repeating myself
Let's pretend the media
are right ... maybe Jol and Levy don't get on; maybe Berbatov isn't
a team player. But I will tell you this, I would rather have a good
team and strong manager than one star player calling the shots (Look
what happened to decent Bobby Robson at Newcastle).
What Spurs have lacked
over the years, at least since Sir Bill, was a strong manager.
Successful teams all have the common denominator of a strong a
If Spurs board cannot get past this short-termism and respect and
back the manager, then " we are all", in the inimitable words of
Corp Frazier, "DOOMED !"